This Doctor has an Interesting Opinion On Treating Type 2

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This Doctor has an Interesting Opinion On Treating Type 2

Postby blondy2061h on Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:42 pm

And for the record, I totally disagree with him. The high blood sugars may not ALWAYS make you feel sick, but the complications sure do!

Drugs to Treat Adult Onset, Type 2 Diabetes

Avandia is one of a newer class of drugs designed to lower the blood sugar of adults whose blood sugar is higher than is said to be good for them.

As we age, our own insulin is less effective in helping our blood sugar enter our cells to provide an energy source. Some of us have this tendency earlier than others, particularly if we have a big gut-to-butt ratio and/or we're poor.

This higher blood sugar and its fellow-travelers (higher blood pressure, higher cholesterol, and lesser wealth) are associated with earlier death, but only if any or all are particularly severe.

For over 50 years medicine has recruited the pharmaceutical industry to smite each of these "risk factors" a mighty blow in order to spare us grief. Avandia is another attempt to tackle persistently elevated blood sugar.

It works. It lowers the blood sugar. Furthermore, the earlier generations of drugs designed to do this also lower the blood sugar. They work too.
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However, no one feels better for a lower blood sugar. Some feel worse or get fatter depending on the drug. And no one feels worse for a high blood sugar, except for the rare patient with adult onset type 2 diabetes who can mobilize an extremely high blood sugar.

It's like "high" blood pressure.

So Avandia does nothing for the quality of your life. Does it do something else -- save your life, or postpone the horrid complications some patients can get with adult onset type 2 diabetes and its fellow travelers?

We don't know for Avandia. However the precedents are daunting. Long-term experiments, randomized controlled trials, with earlier generations of drugs that lower blood sugar are not encouraging. One famous trial lasted over a decade.

There is no precedent for any of these drugs saving a life, a limb, an eye, kidney or anything else important. There is no demonstrable benefit except the lowering of blood sugar. Who cares?

I have practiced medicine for 40 years. I have never prescribed a pill to lower blood sugar. I still see no reason to do so. If I am disadvantaging my patients, it's to a trivial degree at most. However, I know I am sparing them known and unknown hazards.

And I won't let you measure my blood sugar or the measure of its persistent elevation, the hemoglobin A1c. I don't care, and I won't care till there is compelling science that something meaningful can be done if it is elevated.


From: http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Story?id=3232247&page=1

Pointed out by: http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/
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Re: This Doctor has an Interesting Opinion On Treating Type 2

Postby ladytaz on Fri Jul 20, 2007 5:51 am

um. Why is he a doctor, if he doesn't intend to actually help his patients? And I guess that those meds I took before, weren't REALLY working at all?? Seeing 140 on my meter instead of 240+ ..... musta been a figment of my imagination!! Yea, that's it!!

As to the Avandia, well, from what I've seen, heard and read, it does more harm than good. But not ALL meds are like that. Some actually DO help!

I definitely won't be seeing this quack, ever!!
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Re: This Doctor has an Interesting Opinion On Treating Type 2

Postby blondy2061h on Sun Jul 22, 2007 1:44 am

LadyTaz, pretty much exactly how I felt.
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Re: This Doctor has an Interesting Opinion On Treating Type 2

Postby cena111 on Sat Sep 13, 2008 4:13 am

There is no cure for diabetes. But when a treatment plan results in blood glucose levels that are normal or nearly so, a person's risk of developing complications is much lower.

There are certain things that all people with diabetes need to do to be healthy: have a meal plan and engage in regular physical activity (which can help the body use insulin so it can better convert glucose into energy for cells). Some people also need to take insulin or "oral agents," pills that help the body produce insulin and/or use insulin more effectively.

Many people with type 2 diabetes can manage the disease with meal planning and physical activity alone. If type 2 diabetes is diagnosed early, when the body is still producing and using insulin fairly effectively, changing eating habits and being more active may be sufficient to control blood glucose. On the other hand, many individuals have high blood glucose levels for years before they are diagnosed, and the disease may have progressed to the point where medication is also necessary. In both cases, the goal is to take whatever actions are needed to keep blood glucose levels as close to normal as possible in order to avoid complications.
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